Jonathan, I used your new Kit per the directions on my .270 Competition Rifle - I went from 1.25 - 1.50 inch groups to sub one inch to one inch groups after treatment. I used the new "Standard" Moly-Fusion in the cleaned bore, in case the better product might be too "much" of a good thing, and reacted it the way the directions said, and it did darken up the bore like the directions said it would.
I also Parkerized the outside of the barrel in your Manganese to Black Parkerizing - very impressed. I used the Parkerizing on a couple of shotgun barrels, also, and a couple of friends were very impressed - they asked me to do theirs' next.
Anyway, the chronograph said the velocity actually went up for 2600 fps to 2700 fps.
after a day of shooting 80-85 rounds, besides tighter groups and more consistent velocity, I had no color change in the barrel: I used a dry Mop in the barrel to remove virtually no powder, and there was no visible copper residue in the bore, and the mop went through very slick and slippery.
Following suggestions in the directions, I used the product with the Nano-lube on the reloading die in my reloading press, and I have run it dry ever since: no re-sizing lube whatsoever!
I will be sending the raw chronograph data, before and after, and the targets by email in the few days.
I will also give you the data from the second shooting session as well.
Of the new versions of Moly-Fusion, the one I am most interested in is the Moly-Fusion Oil - It has obvious uses where the other products are not well suited for - like a dab between sliding parts.
I am very happy with both your Parkerizing and Moly-Fusion technology, and will be ordering more as I run out of product.
I am so glad I am treating the bore rather than the bullets: It clearly works so much better.
9-18-02
Verbal from Ross and Ken, NH (9/17/02) concerning what Moly-Fusion with Nano-lube has done for his FAL with non-chrome lined, "kit" "junk" (Surplus, rust-pitted) barrel and a 10-22 bull barrel. In both cases, it reduced fouling greatly. In the 10-22, no significant lead stayed in the barrel. The significance with the FAL barrel is while the accuracy is not yet improved treatment is partially successful, which means fouling is reduced at least 95%. Their is still a Copper streak which develops that is still a time problem to remove, however, the carbon is eliminated from bonding to anything now, copper is controlled, and carbon crystals no longer bond. - Ross thinks it is still only maybe 90% treated, but the performance increase in anti-fouling is without question. His shooting partner, Ken - after shooting, also familiar with the FAL, stated it should require 5 wet patches to clean, followed by a bore snake to polish-clean. Without the 5 patches, going to the bore shake directly, there was only a bit of residue at the beginning, and the patch dragged behind the snake was perfectly white. Apparently 99+% reduction in carbon fouling, 90% reduction in the look of the copper fouling (one streak along the groove/land transition area, barrel gives 2 - 2.5 inch groups at 100 yards non bench-rest, 20 shot group, deviation round to rounds, NATO: up to 600 fps as measured by Oeler Printing Chronograph.
With 10-22 barrel, after shooting lead, one dry patch removed alot of "black" - unusual for a dry patch. Only one wet patch was needed, not the usual two, and fouling was significantly less. Patch runs through extremely more "slicker" than usual in both treated bores. No color change took place in the 10-22, so it is presumed treatment was not complete in it.
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Compliment from: Name: Doc Lisenby Product:
I have tried two products distributed by Shootersolutions; SweetShooter and Moly Fusion. SweetShooter is nothing short of miraculous when it comes to preventing rust on several of my firearms. The only way I could prevent rust in my hot humid climate, prior to using Sweetshooter was to either clean every spot I touched quickly or keep metal surfaces oiled while shooting. One treatment seems to last for weeks (may be longer, but I'm apprehensive about trying it). I apply it every time I shoot the firearm and don't get any messy build-up. In combination with the other product, Moly Fusion in the bore of two of my custom 1000 yd. competition rifles in which I shoot moly coated soft jacket (J4) bullets I have noticed an elimination of first round "flyers" and a reduction in long range (1000 Yds) group size from approximately 11 inches to around 8 inches average. I recently fired the best group I have ever shot with one of these rifles and it measured .23" for 5 shots at 100 yds. I consider this excellent for a 30-cal. bullet traveling at 3000 fps, considering recoil and all the other things that affect group size. I have been shooting in rifle competition for about fifty years and Sweetshooter with Moly-Fusion have been the least expensive single items which have improved accuracy in my rifles.
[Steve T, Illinois, phone 8-9-01] I used your MolyFusion a year ago on the bore of my 357 Magnum revolver after thorough preparation. I did it at warm room temperature (summer, and noticed it darkened the bore (no longer silver-shiny anymore). What I notice over the last year of shooting is it has less fast kick as before, and cleaning after shooting either copper or lead factory bullets requires just a quick patch or two of Shootersolutions cleaner. No more brushes, and it cleans so easy! I'm going to retry MolyFusion on some other projects I am working on, and expect to use MolyFusion on other things and on other things. To prevent using it in a cylinder of a revolver that swings away is easy. To avoid treating the bore of a fixed chamber, I use/recommend a tight fitting fired brass cartridge to present a physical barrier. You don't want it in any chamber, even a revolver, for perhaps it might cause the mechanism to jam it the chamber is too slippery. So far, in my testing, most of which was done in 1998, it appears to me to be a great product. I can't wait to try out your other products you have and are coming. I happened on your website yesterday in the Library, as I got the idea to check on what results you are getting regularly, and wanted to know how your current information. That is why I am talking with you now. Please let me know on improvements.
Lou did quite a bit with the Moly-Fusion™ from 2000 to 2001.
11-09-01
Jonathan, I forgot to tell you I also treated the M1 Garand bolt, as well, and I dare say it performs much better now, in that is goes into battery much better, as intended.
In two bore scope viewings, it appears by observation to have absolutely no wear in the barrel or throat (like brand new) and absolutely no evidence on any copper gilding in the lands and groove: mint. .
Jonathan
The .30 cal. Krieger barrel in the Peerless N.M. M1 Garand, as you know the .30 cal has a very smaller bore diameter than the Wm. Large .58 cal. Yes, I worked the big .58 cal and the Sharps .54 cal before I ventured into using Moly Fusion in the Peerless from Fulton Armory.In both the Harper Ferry .58 cal and the Sharps .54 cal, Moly Fusion was used sparingly. I followed the directions closely in the application to the big 50's. I followed the directions in using Sweetshooter. Fire a round, then cleaned with Sweetshooter for 20 or more rounds. If my memory serves me right, I went beyond the requirement of 20 rounds. Since that time, 1999, two seasons later I can fire several rounds, and loading is easily accomplished. Cleaning occurs immediately after the firing event comes to closure with Sweetshooter. Most shooters use 2 wet patches and 2 dry patches to clean their muskets or carbines. I use one patch with SS (Sweetshooter) and one dry patch and I'm done. The Sharps does not carbon up (coke up) or cake up with the use of SS. Now, I have used Moly Fusion on the breech area of the Sharps. A regular swab was utilized for the application after heating the area with a hair drier.
Now, I support the Moly Fusion with Tetra Gun grease on the rails in the breech area of the Sharps. I use Tetra only as a lubricant. I firmly believe the operation of the breech is much smoother, and after several shots continues to operate with ease, which in speed/time competition surely helps. The Moly fusion is the base and the Tetra is the lubricant to aid the breech block to slid up and down with ease. The Sharps bore was worked the same as the Harper Ferry .58. My scores have improved significantly with both weapons. Even after a 2 month lay-off I felt very confident, when I went to the line last Sunday.
You'll see the group fired at a hundred yards with the Harper Ferry using the big Lyman .58 cal - International Bullet (464grs. of pure lead) pushed by 38 grs of 3F powder. I'll send you an example of the bullet being pushed out the musket and carbine. The musket was not fired from a bench, but free hand. No bags or rest.
At the present time, I'm preparing for another Region shoot in Ohio. Then I'll travel to Illinois for another out of the region shoot. Nationals in Va., then out to Eva, Tenn, to finish the season. High Power season consist of 3 more matches and that will wrap the season.
Also, the AR-15 (.223) Peerless Grade National Match Rifle from Fulton Armory has Moly fusion in the bore. I'm a little concerned, because I did not have as much MF as I wanted to use. So, in the near future I'll be ordering some MF and SS. I know I have written a good deal, bear(sp) with me. I ordered the NM M14/M1A from Clint at Fulton Armory. I will also moly fusion that bore. You have two very efficient and effective gun products. At first, I thought they were somewhat costly; now that I have seen the results......well worth the price in my book! Later, Semper Fi .....Lou Famiano
Gun Builder form 1997/1998 through 2001: "I properly use MolyFusion on every gun I build, and the results are phenomenal. Sometimes I don't have time to tell a customer I've used it, until they ask why the last one performs so much better than the previous one I built for him, and as to providing written results to you: I am so busy now." I need another ounce so I don't run out: I don't treat shotgun bores if I am running low, because it takes so much more to treat them, and this is a bread-and butter product for me. I know how to use the product and I don't use it enough on my tooling: I will do more of that when I move. Remember I tried on some of my cutting tooling and drill bits to great results. I will want more from you for that, but I am going to get the pictures and results of the years of professional use on behalf of my customers for you when I get the help I need. Your stuff is the greatest as a finish that pleases."
"Jonathan . . .I used the MolyFusion on my .308 FAL, an all stainless steel carbine from DS Arms. After the treatment, I noticed that the surfaces felt "slickery" to the touch and the external surfaces (which I treated as well) were just a bit darker than the factory new finish. The main difference I've noticed is that the whole rifle "cleans up" very easily after firing. Not sure if this is the molyfusion working or the SweetShooter which I've also started using exclusively on this rifle. Two "wipes" down the bore with a bore mop and SweetShooter followed by two dry patches and the bore is CLEAN! I'm amazed!
"The copper is about 100C super heat so temp of pour is 1200C. The mold is easily cleaned. There seems to be no detrimental effect of the coating on the solidification of the copper. One other bonus is the mold is now harder and less prone to wear marks."
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