Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 10:06 PM >To: email@example.com >Subject: early results from blackpowder shooting
Hello from Indiana. To bring you up to date regarding both your products ( Sweetshooter and Moly). I used the moly in both weapons (1863 Sharps Carbine and a 1855 Harper Ferry). The "55" has a William Large barrel, and I was a little concerned about using the moly in the bore. At Camp Perry during a competitive black powder N-SSA Skirmish both weapons exceeded my expectations. I did not reduce the powder in the Sharps and it fired very tight groups at both the 50 and 100 yards. I >push a 450 gr. bullet with 40 grs. of 3F. There was no key holing by the rounds. In the 55 rifle, I reduced the powder load from 38 grs. of 3F to 32 grs. of 3F. It holds the same sight picture (center hold). It surprised a lot of us that the strike of the bullet remained the same. I feel very confident of going back to 38 grs. of 3F......but, there is really no need. In fact, at 100 yards the groups are tighter than before...! Again, I used moly in both bores with excellent results. I use only Sweetshooter to clean the bores and the entire weapons after shooting them. Now, for lube in the rings I use Lyman Super Moly Lubricant on all the bullets. The 100 yard musket round is the International bullet and the 50 yard bullet is Lyman's wad cutter (415 grs. while the International tops out at about 465 grs.). So, you can see that I'm pushing very big bullets with medium loads. The operation has become very efficient. In one time event with the 55 rifle I fired 14 times ... the 14th round loaded as easily as the 1st round. Everybody thought I had undersized ... 4thousandths. The bore of the 55 mikes out to .577 ... I size all competitive musket rounds to .576. Moly and Sweetshooter does the rest. I was loading easily, while other shooters after the 7th or 8th round during this specific event were pounding on their ram rods to get the round down the bore! I have used moly on the breach block of the Sharps and during shooting events (timed) the operation of loading is done very easily now! With Camp Perry and Centerburg shoots out of the way ... going to Nationals in Winchester, Va. I'm very happy with your products!
Semper Fi, Lou
The new Moly-Fusion has been continually improved.
(7/15/99): Dear Jonathan,
I would like to provide you with some feedback regarding your products Moly-Fusion and Sweetshooter. In April of this year, I ordered both the Moly-Fusion (half oz.) and Sweetshooter. Both would be utilized in High Power shooting and in very competitive black powder shooting with the 19th Indiana Vols. Union Guards of the N-SSA. First; Moly-Fusion, I applied Moly-Fusion to the breech area and receiver area rails of a 1863 Sharps Carbine. I made two applications to the rails and breech area. During competition, shooting timed events at 100 and 50 yards, this area of the Sharps builds up very quickly with carbon and heavy fouling. After several shots during competition, it becomes difficult to operate the breech smoothly. With the application of Moly-Fusion and continued use of Sweetshooter to this specific area the Sharps, especially the breech area, the breech works very efficiently and effectively even after several rounds. The bore is maintained by Sweetshooter only at the present time. Before Sweetshooter, and during competition the bore would "cake." It took several strokes with a bore brush to remove the "cake." Then, several strokes with bore cleaner and two or three dry patches. Since Sweetshooter was introduced to the bore, "caking " does [Note Dry Film lubrication is part of Moly-Fusion™ Treatment-Oil and Moly-Fusion™ now. Customers report Moly-Fusion™ alone is a superior product now.]
not occur and cleaning the bore after an event takes two patches of Sweetshooter. Depending on heat and humidity caking may occur but only minimal....it does not effect accuracy of the Sharps. This cake, if it does occur, is easily removed with Sweetshooter...1 or 2 patches. The bore on the Sharps has been treated with
Sweetshooter since April. I did not follow your recommendation of a steel bore brush. I used a nylon
brush and tight fitting patch application procedures in the bore area. Due to the period of application, I feel very strongly that Sweetshooter accomplished it's mission. How do I know? Groups have reduced in size ( I shoot a 420 gr., .54 cal. bullet pushed by 45grs. of 3F black powder--paper cartridge) significantly. Cleaning up the Sharps after an event is now a pure pleasure .. where before it was something I did not look forward too! I'm extremely happy and satisfied with both products.
Sweetshooter is utilized in the bore of my 1855 Harper Ferry rifle. [Note Sweetshooter is a 1993 Cleaner Lubricant Protectant]
Again, clean up time is greatly reduced. It seems the 100-yard group is the most effected. The group has reduced in size. On 7/12/99, I 5 rounds using the International bullet pushed by only 32grs. of 3F. ...all were in the black, not as tight as I would like them to be, but then again, I was firing in the standing position at 100 yards. In the short of things ... I'm extremely happy with the products. As a side story ....I introduced Sweetshooter to an "ole club M1" here in Lafayette, Indiana. I cleaned the barrel with JB, Kroil, and Shooters Choice. Once the cleaning was completed (I'm a former Marine) so cleaning is aggressive. The bore of the ole M1 was not in bad shape, in fact it was in good shape for a rifle that had been kicked around, dropped, and used a great deal. New members use the club M1's to break in before ordering NM rifle. You know how that goes! Well, I started to apply only Sweetshooter to the bore and rifle (bolt lugs.. etc...) on June 1st of this year. I applied a good deal of Sweetshooter to the bolt/receiver area (grooves). Last Monday, July 12, 1999, I fired 12 strings of 10 rounds from the 300-yd. line in rapid-fire prone position. It was 2 o'clock in the afternoon....80 plus degree heat. The ole rifle performed the way it had been designed to operate. No jams, no malfunctions at all. Groups were good and
scores ranged in the high 70's and low 80's. I moved my gear to the 200-yard line. Leo J. Melle volunteered to work the pit / target for me. I did not clean, in fact the rifle had not been cleaned since 6/13/99 after a high power shoot. After the 6/13 shoot I used only Sweetshooter in the receiver area and the bore was swabbed out with it. I loaded
the ole M1 with a match round from Top Notch Ammo (30-06 Springfield, 150 gr. Nosler Ballistic tip bullet moly coated, Winchester brass). I fired in the standing position, first round was a 9 at 8, second round was 10 at 1, the third and last round was a 9 at 10.....the ten was close enough
I think to an X , but Leo called a 10...., so, 29 or 29-1x...out of 30. Not bad for an "ole M1" treated with Sweetshooter. The group of the three shots.....now remember, this rifle is "club rifle" ...not a national match rifle machine. This M1 is issue.....nothing has been done to it. The stock has
not been bedded. Looking at the target, Leo and I
started to laugh....less than 3 MOA. A combination of good grade of ammo and Sweetshooter....hey, it made a difference. Plan to keep shooting the "ole war horse" even after my new Fulton-Armory M1 arrives. Again, I'm very happy with your product and impressed with
their performance. I need more Sweetshooter by the way!
Semper Fi – Lou
"We did a bit of testing with Moly [Fusion] this weekend. We were testing with muzzleloaders and found some neat results.
For example Mini balls tended to key-hole all over the place out of the treated barrel but Lee REAL (Rifling Engaged At Loading) bullets shot much better out of a treated barrel. Groups (100 yards) went from 4" untreated to a bit under 3" from the treated barrel.
My theory for the conical bullets is the treated barrel is so slick the loose projectiles sort of slip across the rifling and don't get enough spin. I hope the weather gets better for next weekend I've got some .223 (75 gr Hornaday), .308 and 30-06 (168 gr Sierra) rounds treated to do some tests at 600 yds."
With round balls normally there is a limit to how hard you can push a ball out the barrel before the patch begins to shred and accuracy goes to pot.
We found we could increase the powder charge from 60 to 90 gr. of FFFg before the patch began to shred!
We did a sort of blind accuracy test.
We had two White Mountain 1 in 66" twist ball barrels one treated one not.
We shot groups at 100 yards off simple bench rest.
The guys shooting didn't know which barrel was treated and which wasn't.
We found accuracy improved from an average 7" group to 5" in the treated barrel.
We also ran tests with conical (bullet shaped) projectiles.
It seemed there was a relation between tightness of the bullet and accuracy in a treated barrel.